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Justice & Love

Andrew West interviewing Mary Zournazi and Rowan Williams

Compassion is the strongest exercise of imagination that we can think of because it’s a real attention to an absorption of another person's position.

Rowan Williams

One of the things about trying to open up the meaning of justice is to think about that suffering, the grief, the sorrow and how do you address that - that real sense of grief.

Mary Zournazi

From the Paris Attacks, the Syrian War, and the European Migrant Crisis to Brexit and the US Presidential elections, our responses to others in desperate situations have been tested. Former Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams and film maker and cultural philosopher, Mary Zournazi sat down with ABC’s Ethics Report host Andrew West to explore how we can experience the world in a more just way, and how does love fit into all this when we are faced with difficult times.

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Rowan Williams

Rowan Williams

Rowan Williams (Baron Williams of Oystermouth) is former Master of Magdalene College, Cambridge (UK). He was formerly Lady Margaret Professor of Divinity at the University of Oxford (UK) and was Archbishop of Canterbury from 2002 – 2012. Rowan recently co-authored with Mary Zournazi, Justice and Love – a philosophical dialogue.

Mary Zournazi

Mary Zournazi

Mary Zournazi is an Australian film maker and cultural philosopher. Her multi-awarding winning documentary Dogs of Democracy was screened worldwide, and her most recent documentary film, My Rembetika Blues is a story about love, life and music. She is the author of several books including Hope – New Philosophies for Change, Inventing Peace with the German filmmaker Wim Wenders, and her most recent book is Justice and Love – a philosophical dialogue with Rowan Williams. She teaches in the sociology and anthropology program at UNSW Sydney in the School of Social Sciences.

Photo credit Effy Alexakis.

Andrew West

Andrew West (Chairperson)

Andrew West is a journalist and broadcaster who currently presents The Religion & Ethics Report on ABC Radio National (RN). He was a senior reporter at The Sydney Morning Herald, The Sun-Herald and The Australian and is the author of two books on Australian politics and culture, including a biography of the former Foreign Minister and NSW Premier Bob Carr. Andrew's work has appeared in The Best Australian Political Writing, The New York Times, The South China Morning Post, The Monthly and The Christian Science Monitor. He has been a regular fill-in host of two flagship RN programs, Late Night Live and Saturday Extra, and a correspondent for BBC Religion.

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